tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post4528652803658836169..comments2024-03-24T20:13:39.387+00:00Comments on demography.matters.blog: Demography and culture: French Canada's fall and Québec's isolationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-91091544468052270422008-08-01T16:05:00.000+00:002008-08-01T16:05:00.000+00:00Ape Man said.... . .Russia is going to have a toug...<EM>Ape Man said...<BR/><BR/>. . .<BR/><BR/>Russia is going to have a tough time paying woman to breed (as the report basically calls for Russia to do)if it is facing increasing pension payments, labor shortages, and security cost relating to keeping ethnic minorities from breaking away from the Russian state.<BR/><BR/>Of course, even people from "unacceptable" schools of thought make similar Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-90953262120349172152008-07-31T16:07:00.000+00:002008-07-31T16:07:00.000+00:00ape man:The same goes for those conservatives who ...ape man:<BR/><BR/><I>The same goes for those conservatives who worry that America will be taken over by Mexicans. A look at Mexico's demographics would show that the rate of immigration has to drop off soon.</I><BR/><BR/>I disagree. Newfoundland has very, very low TFRs and likely a low cohort fertility, but despite all that and a booming economy Newfoundland is still emptying out.<BR/><BR/>Peter,Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-79400168894761888842008-07-31T09:15:00.000+00:002008-07-31T09:15:00.000+00:00Annon 8:56 PMYou're right about the need for diffe...Annon 8:56 PM<BR/><BR/>You're right about the need for different approaches. but what that doesn't negate the need to recognise fertility as a key component in the socio-linguistic mix. The point is, in the discourse of many of these communities, or Welsh in any case, this component is consistently and deliberately ignored. <BR/><BR/>Many of these communities had difficulty retaining language Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-40363810837437910292008-07-30T20:56:00.000+00:002008-07-30T20:56:00.000+00:00I have a feeling that in discussing the demographi...I have a feeling that in discussing the demographic of linguistic minorities (Québécois, Catalans, Tibetans etc.), participants to this conversation tend to confuse very different processes such as:<BR/>-lower demographic growth due most notably to lower fertility (Québécois, Russians in former Soviet Republics )<BR/>-language "migration" when people adopt the "majority language" (Welsh, BretonsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-66258426950039001922008-07-30T15:05:00.000+00:002008-07-30T15:05:00.000+00:00http://demography.matters.googlepages.com/fertilit...http://demography.matters.googlepages.com/<BR/>fertilityinwalesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-81220739839618983132008-07-30T15:04:00.000+00:002008-07-30T15:04:00.000+00:00the full URL is:http://demography.matters.googlepa...the full URL is:<BR/><BR/>http://demography.matters.googlepages.com/fertilityinwales<BR/><BR/>SionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-18306764546740561812008-07-30T14:14:00.000+00:002008-07-30T14:14:00.000+00:00CharlyThat's true to some extent. I can't speak fo...Charly<BR/><BR/>That's true to some extent. I can't speak for Catalan but there are two points in relation to Welsh.<BR/><BR/>The slight increase in number of speakers of Welsh in 2001 census was due to increase in Welsh-medium education, so, you're right. However:<BR/><BR/>1. These numbers don't give a true picture which is of patchy fluency in Welsh and a passive (if not at time non) use of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-66991511529331717592008-07-29T11:06:00.000+00:002008-07-29T11:06:00.000+00:00The significant increase in the number of Welsh an...The significant increase in the number of Welsh and Catalan speakers in the last decades isn't due to birth but because non native speakers and their kids learning the language. Catalan is in fact under less preasure than it was under Franco and the large immigration of Castillian speakers at the timeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-66716267907128901042008-07-29T05:51:00.000+00:002008-07-29T05:51:00.000+00:00I visited Montreal not long ago. There are lots o...I visited Montreal not long ago. There are lots of Francophone immigrants, especially from Haiti but also from Francophone Africa and elsewhere. It's very difficult to function without French in Quebec (fortunately, I speak French, although the Canadian dialect is so different from the mother tongue that it's difficult to understand).<BR/><BR/>Safe to say use of French will go on for some time Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-40396386325998155772008-07-28T15:22:00.000+00:002008-07-28T15:22:00.000+00:00Thanks for this posting. Demographics is the dynam...Thanks for this posting. Demographics is the dynamo which will drive world politics for the forseeable future. <BR/><BR/>The low birth-rate is having a massive affect on 'minority' languages like Welsh, Catalan, Basque - although is seems the intelligencia of those communities won't start to discuss its implications in any detail for fear of being labelled 'extreme' or worse. There is a belief indavid h joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735484093259635928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-1953142864803486122008-07-28T13:23:00.000+00:002008-07-28T13:23:00.000+00:00Yo, Randy,Interesting stuff. Can you pull out the...Yo, Randy,<BR/><BR/>Interesting stuff. Can you pull out the completed fertility rates by age cohort through, say, the class of 1970? That's the relevant figure, considering the very very large problems with interpreting small differences with TFRs.<BR/><BR/>I ask you to do the work sos we's don't have to ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-6845615892593072702008-07-28T02:15:00.000+00:002008-07-28T02:15:00.000+00:00Might it not be better in the long run to let the ...<I>Might it not be better in the long run to let the ethnic minorities break away?</I><BR/><BR/>Of course. In the long run I think that is what is going to happen no matter what. But do you really think the Russians will take such a reasonable attitude towards the process?<BR/><BR/>From everything I have read, the majority of Russians fell that allowing the soviet empire to break up was a big Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-31087943965667462512008-07-28T01:12:00.000+00:002008-07-28T01:12:00.000+00:00Russia is going to have a tough time paying woman ...<I>Russia is going to have a tough time paying woman to breed (as the report basically calls for Russia to do)if it is facing increasing pension payments, labor shortages, and security cost relating to keeping ethnic minorities from breaking away from the Russian state.</I><BR/><BR/>Might it not be better in the long run to <I>let</I> the ethnic minorities break away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-25116038140154322802008-07-27T00:54:00.000+00:002008-07-27T00:54:00.000+00:00Thanks for the update on Quebec.One of things that...Thanks for the update on Quebec.<BR/><BR/>One of things that bothers me about most "acceptable" demographic musings is that they tend to assume that everything will stay the same even as numbers change. The disappearance of the francophone population in Quebec demonstrates in a non threating way what change in demographics can mean for culture change. As you observe, it is critical to focus on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com