tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post5368957812478609008..comments2024-03-24T20:13:39.387+00:00Comments on demography.matters.blog: The demographics of bad politicsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-15765852140729475542008-04-18T16:20:00.000+00:002008-04-18T16:20:00.000+00:00Dear Friends,I am imagining that the following que...Dear Friends,<BR/><BR/>I am imagining that the following questions are rhetorical ones to many demographers. <BR/><BR/>“Why are politicians and skeptics so willing to risk their future and everyone else’s future on blindly clinging to a course of action that has a high probability of leading to a seriously crippled future? If you even suspect that global warming represents a serious risk to your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-73441147495315274942008-03-19T22:26:00.000+00:002008-03-19T22:26:00.000+00:00I'm unfamiliar with it. What's it about?I'm unfamiliar with it. What's it about?Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-88769288330809390952008-03-13T18:34:00.000+00:002008-03-13T18:34:00.000+00:00You should write an article about the recent Briti...You should write an article about the recent British citizenship survey...G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10595162828423102232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-76009867948982092462008-03-10T04:02:00.000+00:002008-03-10T04:02:00.000+00:00hoosier:"about the question the Morrocan raised th...hoosier:<BR/><BR/>"about the question the Morrocan raised there is an easy answer... Its not that much the siestas or the tortillas (for that matter Spanish and Moroccan couisines are already somewhat integrated, isn't it?). It's about secularism, it's about not blowing oneself up in the train cars or in the apartment next door, its about respecting your neighbour, it's about understanding some Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-7174734491854239652008-03-09T12:12:00.000+00:002008-03-09T12:12:00.000+00:00randy: It's fascinating the differences in attitud...randy: It's fascinating the differences in attitude we see between countries in Western Europe to essentially the same situation, and how little it seems to correlate with either scale of migration or historical tolerance.<BR/><BR/>At one end you have Spain, which has many episodes in its history of having extreme reactionary policies when it comes to religion and culture, the last of which endedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-75979270385545597492008-03-08T14:10:00.000+00:002008-03-08T14:10:00.000+00:00That moroccan is obviously not integrated. He is i...That moroccan is obviously not integrated. He is integrated if he allows his daughter freedom and to marry who they want including a spanish man, if he allows his wife to work and if he tries to live together with spanish people instead of creating parallell ethnic ghettos. Immigrant groups who do all these three things are in 99.9% of the case integrated. Immigrant groups who don't will be a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-89698502203272348982008-03-08T11:15:00.000+00:002008-03-08T11:15:00.000+00:00change happens even within ethnicaly homogeneous s...change happens even within ethnicaly homogeneous societies. economic development changes culture, technology changes culture, generational differences play a huge role... that theoretically should make this integration process easier. in an ever changing landscape the odd bush or bird can go little noticed.<BR/><BR/>about the question the Morrocan raised there is an easy answer... Its not that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-3013907459799567872008-03-08T06:07:00.000+00:002008-03-08T06:07:00.000+00:00All I'll say about the IQ/immigration link is that...All I'll say about the IQ/immigration link is that it has dubious origins and tends to be used to make judgements of dubious good sense.<BR/><BR/>As for assimilation/integration, I thought that the big problem debate was identified fairly neatly by Doug Saunders <A GHREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wreckoning0309/BNStory/International/home" HREF="" REL="nofollow">Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-26591257402428875382008-03-07T01:32:00.000+00:002008-03-07T01:32:00.000+00:00"No matter how you look at it, a "Demographic Take..."No matter how you look at it, a "Demographic Takeover" of many of these European countries is in progress. These foreign immigrants are setting up "colonies". As those immigrants grow in number they'll begin to work to gain political power and their politics will be geared towards the interest of that ethnic group, not necessarily for Italy. Plus that ethnic group will be lobbied by their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-23752261609547068632008-03-06T23:50:00.000+00:002008-03-06T23:50:00.000+00:00"There is plenty of scientific evidence against th..."There is plenty of scientific evidence against this belief, and the more we understand the human genome, the more evidence is accumulating. Such evidence is extremely relevant to any debate on immigration, demographics, and economic growth, and for this reason I would love to present it."<BR/><BR/>You are right in your presentation of the fact. however one has to look at these IQ averages very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-74712380391248485042008-03-06T23:33:00.000+00:002008-03-06T23:33:00.000+00:00" I also think one of the main reason why there is..." I also think one of the main reason why there is so much extremism and fundamentalism in the middle east is because of the extreme segregation between the sexes which builds up alot of sexual frustration among the young men. The more gender apartheid, the more extremism. And muslim countries are in a class of their own in this respect. Sure other non-western, non-muslim countries are far from Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-51445912543715787922008-03-06T19:24:00.000+00:002008-03-06T19:24:00.000+00:00I take it that since no one is answering my posts,...I take it that since no one is answering my posts, no.56 and 57 that they agree with me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-578715359149828122008-03-06T14:08:00.000+00:002008-03-06T14:08:00.000+00:00"However, demography is the study of trends in imp..."However, demography is the study of trends in important minorities and in majorities. The rapid (by demographic standards) development of a population cohort with very different cultural, political and religious norms is a big challenge for Europe."<BR/><BR/>It poses issues, yes. It doesn't pose existential issues.<BR/><BR/>"In particular, while Sobotka adjusts for biases in TFR coming from Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-39223423123496674542008-03-06T13:49:00.000+00:002008-03-06T13:49:00.000+00:00Marc:"There is plenty of scientific evidence again...Marc:<BR/><BR/>"There is plenty of scientific evidence against this belief, and the more we understand the human genome, the more evidence is accumulating. Such evidence is extremely relevant to any debate on immigration, demographics, and economic growth, and for this reason I would love to present it. But why bother go through the trouble of quoting and citing sources? You'll just delete my Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-39451682543924301372008-03-05T23:41:00.000+00:002008-03-05T23:41:00.000+00:00"If someone can make a convincing argument that 'm..."If someone can make a convincing argument that 'melting pot' cultures are objectively inferior to the individual 'ingredients', or that we are inherently wiser than those who will follow us, then that's an argument for safeguarding culture and for preventing too much mixing between different cultural groups."<BR/><BR/>Well, diverse societies certainly have lower levels of trust than do Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-73614147417898726322008-03-05T21:52:00.000+00:002008-03-05T21:52:00.000+00:00Randy said:"I happily converse with people who are...Randy said:<BR/><BR/>"I happily converse with people who are willing to make points clearly and calmly, discussing their background assumptions--especially when they make some fairly surprising claims (immigration as colonization?). If people continue to harp on one thing repeatedly, even though it has been addressed, is dialogue even possible?"<BR/><BR/>I am curious as to how dialogue is even Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-37636095994581909282008-03-04T04:23:00.000+00:002008-03-04T04:23:00.000+00:00Randy and Edward:This post and conversation is ver...Randy and Edward:<BR/><BR/>This post and conversation is very interesting. Keep up the good work!<BR/><BR/>I read abstracts of Sobotka's work as suggested. I've read all of "America Alone" by Steyn. I agree (and I think even Steyn agrees) that not all Muslims are highly religious, and not all highly religious Muslims are terrorists.<BR/><BR/>However, demography is the study of trends in importantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-77344753311938146632008-03-03T19:01:00.000+00:002008-03-03T19:01:00.000+00:00Extension to the comment above: I think the treatm...Extension to the comment above: I think the treatment of women is the main reason why muslims are so poorly integrated in Europe relative to other immigrant groups. If muslims allowed the women to be free, then muslims would have:<BR/><BR/>1. A much higher labor force participation rate. When both men and women work, they are far less likely to be relatively poor<BR/><BR/>2. Lower birth rates, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-12452253957603903302008-03-03T18:08:00.000+00:002008-03-03T18:08:00.000+00:00I think first and foremost, what Europeans are try...I think first and foremost, what Europeans are trying to preserve is the respect and equality of women. That's the number one concern IMO. I haven't heard anybody say that it is the cuisine that causes the most culture clash. Multiculturalists think of foreign cultures too much as just "just like us, just different food and some different clothes, why would that be a problem?" But the main Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-1468285910174606032008-03-01T13:04:00.000+00:002008-03-01T13:04:00.000+00:00I must say, I don't like this conservationist scho...I must say, I don't like this conservationist school of culture, like it's some natural ecosystem built up slowly over millions of years that needs to be protected from humanity (or some subset thereof) - it's a patronising way of putting people into faux-'species'. I don't care if my distant descendants share a sense of Britishness or what have you, because it's none of my business what they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-49721895577707083322008-02-29T22:24:00.000+00:002008-02-29T22:24:00.000+00:00You keep referring to America and Canada as exampl...<I>You keep referring to America and Canada as examples. They are unique "melting pots" not for Europe to be compared to or followed.</I><BR/><BR/>America is unique in the scale, but I'd also argue that the Canadian experience bears more similarities. Until the 1960s, the Canadian population was overwhelmingly of British and French background, with other ethnic communities represented mainly in Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-39531440914739072902008-02-29T03:20:00.000+00:002008-02-29T03:20:00.000+00:00I'm a female, 38, mom of 4. High School Education...I'm a female, 38, mom of 4. High School Education only. I enjoy reading your posts, but I can't write in the complex-multi-sylible manner that you do. How ever, you may be able to practice your "tolerance" and listen to my common sense in laymans terms (I do have my doubts seeing as how you were not very tolerant of one post that capitalized a word.)<BR/><BR/>You keep referring to America Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-87269839930768427752008-02-28T20:38:00.000+00:002008-02-28T20:38:00.000+00:00georgesdelatour:I agree with you that ethnic lobbi...georgesdelatour:<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that ethnic lobbies can have a strongly negative impact, but I'd suggest that they can do so only to the extent that the population at large is willing to support them, or at least look the other way. Perhaps because of the appeal of a soft of pleasantly unfocused Irish-American romantic nationalism to the American population at large, the United States Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-12969280976601652142008-02-28T19:33:00.000+00:002008-02-28T19:33:00.000+00:00"I don't think you are responding to anonymous' ma..."I don't think you are responding to anonymous' main point. What is happening in Europe is not colonialism in the sense that we are used to hearing the word, but it is, over the long haul, ethnic destruction and replacement, and the fact that it has happened quite a few times throughout history doesn't mean it is moral or should be encouraged."<BR/><BR/>"Ethnic destruction and replacement"? How, Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-70201766487899463512008-02-27T22:02:00.000+00:002008-02-27T22:02:00.000+00:00Randy,I don't think you are responding to anonymou...Randy,<BR/><BR/>I don't think you are responding to anonymous' main point. What is happening in Europe is not colonialism in the sense that we are used to hearing the word, but it is, over the long haul, ethnic destruction and replacement, and the fact that it has happened quite a few times throughout history doesn't mean it is moral or should be encouraged. If people are justified in going to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com