tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post4810543910626072455..comments2024-03-24T20:13:39.387+00:00Comments on demography.matters.blog: Why it's not a good idea to scare away the creative classUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-71842194166725735462007-07-31T17:55:00.000+00:002007-07-31T17:55:00.000+00:00Thanks for the explanation, Edward! It was very in...Thanks for the explanation, Edward! It was very interesting.Latvian abroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07206431082954964671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-16976787975532184272007-07-31T07:34:00.000+00:002007-07-31T07:34:00.000+00:00Latvian Abroad said:"what did you mean by this?"Cu...Latvian Abroad said:<BR/><BR/>"what did you mean by this?"<BR/><BR/><I>Cultural factors, incidentally, may play a part in explaining why Romanians and Bulgraians are in the south of Europe, and Poles and Latvians in the North.</I><BR/><BR/>"It sounds like an interesting theory but I don't get it."<BR/><BR/>Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it a theory, but it is a sort of (anecdotally based) Edward Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384039867580949531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-10732646294727031702007-07-30T23:53:00.000+00:002007-07-30T23:53:00.000+00:00Latvian Abroad:I like the distinction that you mak...Latvian Abroad:<BR/><BR/>I like the distinction that you make between <BR/><BR/><I>a) the most liberal (or most conservative) segment of population using "we will leave because of that" as a debate argument;<BR/>b) substantial part of population actually basing the decisions to leave/to return on social issues.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that there's a good case to be made that Poland might be Randy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-26885712015793503932007-07-30T04:28:00.000+00:002007-07-30T04:28:00.000+00:00Edward,what did you mean by this?Cultural factors,...Edward,<BR/><BR/>what did you mean by this?<BR/><BR/><I>Cultural factors, incidentally, may play a part in explaining why Romanians and Bulgraians are in the south of Europe, and Poles and Latvians in the North.</I><BR/><BR/>It sounds like an interesting theory but I don't get it.<BR/><BR/>Regarding Poland, I also would like to emphasize two distinctions. First, between<BR/><BR/>a) a government Latvian abroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07206431082954964671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-50650826114259128082007-07-29T19:29:00.000+00:002007-07-29T19:29:00.000+00:00Hi again Matc"Um, what evidence do you have for th...Hi again Matc<BR/><BR/>"Um, what evidence do you have for this?"<BR/><BR/>Well, just living here really. Talking to people, listening to what they say, in the shops, that sort of thing. Listening to the radio, watching TV, reading the papers, and.... oh yes... looking at the latest local election results.<BR/><BR/>There were several hard line anti-immigrant parties who stood in these elections, Edward Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384039867580949531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-9683072240367843862007-07-29T19:04:00.000+00:002007-07-29T19:04:00.000+00:00I think you need to be careful with these polls. W...<I>I think you need to be careful with these polls. What you say is true, but what people are mainly concerned about is that fact that all these migrant flows are irregular, and the majority of people would like to see a more regularised flow.</I><BR/><BR/>Um, what evidence do you have for this? <BR/><BR/><I>Also the volume has been enormous, much bigger proportionately than the comparative Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-38165518394157399062007-07-28T09:31:00.000+00:002007-07-28T09:31:00.000+00:00Just to add a few points of my own. What is happen...Just to add a few points of my own. What is happening in Poland is, of course, only one example of a much bigger phenomenon.<BR/><BR/>Migrants are flowing at an accelerating rate along a downward slope which stretches from Uzbekistan to Ireland. This is perhaps one of the clearest signs we have of the way globalisation is steadily gathering pace. The other indicator here would be the rate of Edward Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384039867580949531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-23975320805792773082007-07-27T21:43:00.000+00:002007-07-27T21:43:00.000+00:00Hi everyone,Well lots of interesting points here."...Hi everyone,<BR/><BR/>Well lots of interesting points here.<BR/><BR/>"Being underpaid in a major way or having a degree in a field that has no decently-paid jobs in Poland... that would certainly be enough."<BR/><BR/>I agree with the general consensus here that wage differentials are a main driver of the migrant flows which are taking place, and since these wage differentials are large, and Edward Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384039867580949531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-14330831771593987512007-07-27T15:33:00.000+00:002007-07-27T15:33:00.000+00:00Marcz,I admit I don't have any data on this, but m...Marcz,<BR/>I admit I don't have any data on this, but my impression is that Spaniards are worried about immigration from Africa, both North Africa and the current influx of Sub-Saharan boat people to the Canary Islands. <BR/><BR/>For the rest I too tend to think that economics and unemployment is the main driver of migration. I doubt the social conservatism in Poland is sufficiently repressive toAslakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813371594062969329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-15090611301099033352007-07-27T12:23:00.000+00:002007-07-27T12:23:00.000+00:00That's one reason why Spain has managed to attract...<I>That's one reason why Spain has managed to attract Latin Americans who might otherwise have immigrated to the United States</I><BR/><BR/>Randy,<BR/><BR/>Do you really think that Spainards are more welcoming of Latin American immigrants than Americans? Polls show most Spainards think immigration is the number one problem in their country and that immigration rates are too high. That hardly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-8870123775839816412007-07-27T12:17:00.000+00:002007-07-27T12:17:00.000+00:00The Guardian Weekly piece is a gross manipulation....The Guardian Weekly piece is a gross manipulation. There is freedom in Romania, in many fields more freedom than in Western Europe (think not stopping at the red lights, the example given, but also think of gambling, alcohol etc.) Still people leave the country in droves. They are half the population of Poland, yet it is believed there are one million Romanians in Spain and another million in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-17521516580036016172007-07-27T05:40:00.000+00:002007-07-27T05:40:00.000+00:00Florida's theories do have their flaws, but I thin...Florida's theories do have their flaws, but I think that they do point in interesting directions.<BR/>Economics clearly plays a major if not dominant role in migration-related decisions, but culture might help people who are deciding whether to stay and wait out the current difficulties or to leave and enjoy something better more quickly. If a potential migrant is (for instance) a woman who wantsRandy McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04707497864911987241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19949676.post-61290734084319240012007-07-27T05:06:00.000+00:002007-07-27T05:06:00.000+00:00I think I disagree with the conclusions. When I he...I think I disagree with the conclusions. When I hear of university-educated people taking up manual jobs in UK... my immediate association is an underpaid Latvian teacher becoming cleaner in UK, because their Latvian salary is too low.<BR/><BR/>It takes a lot to take up a much lower-qualified job... a simple dissatisfaction with Kaczynski's would be too little, in my opinion. Being underpaid in aLatvian abroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07206431082954964671noreply@blogger.com